Me: Who are you?
Brahman: I am Brahman.
M: Can you describe yourself?
B: I am you, the universe and beyond.
M: Wow, really?
M: Thats not really clear to me.
B: I am also known as the consciousness or creator. I don’t have any physical form or shape, or any other attribute you can think of.
M: Thats not easy to understand.
B: Yes. Thats because you are not ready to understand me yet. Just call me Brahman and lets move on.
M: Did you create me?
B: You could say that. But, technically speaking, that would be wrong.
B: Because you are a part of me and I am a part of you. Technically, you created yourself.
M: Sounds fantastic.
B: Yes, but thats what it is.
M: Then, who created this world, other beings, planets, stars & so on?
B: The same logic holds good.
M: You mean to say I created all these stuff?
M: Or was it you who created all these?
B: Both you & me. Remember we are one.
M: Sounds too fantastic.
M: You are laconic. Lets proceed anyway. Why did you, I or we create all this stuff?
B: All these are part of us. So, technically speaking, we didn’t create anything.
M: Wow, mind-bending stuff.
B: You can say that.
M: You are saying you, me, this world, universe and everything in it are all just one big thing?
B: Yes, thats Brahman
M: That doesn’t make any sense to me.
B: Thats why I said before you are not ready to understand yet.
M: Thats disappointing.
B: You are on a journey. You can understand as you go along.
M: What journey is it?
B: A journey you call life
M: Are you saying I will understand when I die?
B: Not necessarily
M: Hmm, you are a difficult guy. Please explain
B: You can understand even before you die
M: Are you sure?
M: How are you so sure?
B: Because thats how you designed it.
M: You mean thats how I designed this journey called life?
M: I designed this mysterious journey of life and I also decided to understand it as I go through it?
M: Why should I go through all this trouble?
B: You are not ready to understand that yet.
M: Back to square one. Lets change tack. Why do we die?
B: You can call it a design constraint.
M: Ah, now you speak a language I understand. I won’t ask you why we have that constraint because I know I will get your stock answer that I am not ready to understand that yet. But, let me ask you what happens after I die?
B: Nothing really
M: How about going to hell or heaven?
B: They are figments of your imagination. They don’t exist.
M: Thats interesting. Many millions will be shocked to hear that.
M: Then what really happens to me after I die?
B: We just become one, you & me, like we were before.
M: Thats very heartening to know. So, no penalties or punishments for all my sins?
B: You already suffer in this life.
M: You mean to say I, or rather we, designed this journey called life in such a way that we get punished for our sins before we die?
B: You could say that.
M: What do you mean? Am I not right?
B: You are right and wrong
M: You are making me dizzy. Please explain.
B: What you call life is not real.
B: It is an illusion
M: You, and I, created this illusion?
M: All this world, planets, stars, sins, punishments etc. are not real?
M: You are kidding me. But why?
B: Thats the design
M: And you & I designed it such?
M: I am out of my depth here. Oh, help me God.
B: Only you can help yourself.
M: Oh, yeah, I assume all Gods are also mere illusions.
M: Wonderful. What a piece of work. I should pat myself on the back
M: I wonder where this chat is leading to.
M: Should we stop here or continue?
B: Your choice
M: I knew that’s what you will say. And my choice is to continue.
M: If everything is an illusion, what about you & me?
B: We, you & me, are neither real or imaginary.
M: I give up.
B: Thats not your nature
M: If you say so. Lets move on to worldly stuff which I may understand better.
B: Your choice
M: Yea, I know that. Its always my choice.
M: When & how was all this known material world & universe created?
B: Many millennia back. It may not useful to dwell on when.
M: Ok. But how?
B: You & me created it.
M: Just like that? Out of nothing or nowhere?
M: Thats preposterous. How’s it possible?
B: Anything’s possible
M: I guess I just have to take your word for it.
M: Since I am not ready to understand it yet.
M: Thats a easy answer. Are you not prevaricating?
M: Are you hiding something deliberately?
B: I, or you, cannot hide anything from ourselves
M: Why can’t you explain to me in a way I can understand easily?
B: You will understand by asking more questions to yourself.
M: Which means you won’t explain to me
B: That doesn’t help
M: I need to find out myself?
M: I guess thats how we designed it.
M: Wow, we are crafty guys, aren’t we?
M: I know you won’t answer that.
M: Ok, lets move on…to more practical things. Now that we have created this journey called life, and I am deeply immersed in it, what should I do?
B: You will have to go through this journey.
M: I know that. I mean how should I go about it? How should I lead my life?
B: Study the Vedas
M: Really? Is it so simple as studying a few texts?
M: What are the Vedas exactly?
B: Something like a design cum user manual.
M: Excellent. I like that description. Who wrote them & when?
B: They came about along with life.
M: Who exactly?
B: No one in particular
M: How’s that possible?
M: Ok, I get it. I am not ready to understand it yet.
M: Ok. Atleast tell me when were they created?
M: Hmm, you really want me to read your thoughts, don’t you?
M: Ok. I take it the Vedas were created when we, you & me, created this illusion aka world aka journey called life. Lets move on. What do the Vedas say?
B: They tell you how to lead your life.
M: To tell you the truth, I had a cursory look at them. They don’t seem to be as simple to understand.
B: You need to study them.
M: You mean study them really deep & hard?
M: But the Vedas seem to be vast & complex. I may need a whole lifetime to understand them
M: Don’t confuse me. Are you agreeing they are complex or admitting a whole lifetime is required to understand them?
B: Maybe both.
M: Don’t be difficult. Please explain
B: The Vedas are as complex as you think they are. They take as long as you think you need to understand them.
M: That sounds like one of your stock replies. Are you saying the Vedas are only as complex and as time consuming to understand as I choose them to be?
M: Does that also mean I can go through life and die without understanding them?
M: I can also die with just a partial or incomplete understanding of the Vedas?
M: I can also fully understand them and live an enlightened life?
M: You, I mean, we, you & I…we are awesome, aren’t we?
M: We have designed, created something which is so illusory, complex and yet very open ended.
M: I can choose to understand or remain ignorant.
M: All this sounds fantastic. Lets push ahead. Can you give me the gist of the Vedas?
B: Vedas provide the ideas, models, & best practices.
M: What about the many rituals, codes of conduct, abstract hyms, myths, stories and so on?
B: You created them
M: You mean my ancestors?
M: But those rituals, beliefs, stories etc. sound boring or meaningless.
B: Everything has a meaning…reason.
M: Are those hyms, slokas, etc. really useful?
B: Try them
M: What if I find them meaningless or empty…or just plain superstitious?
B: They are not the only way
M: The only way? For what?
B: To understand yourself..understand me.…us.
M: What are the various ways?
B: Try faith, devotion, discipline, logic, reason…
M: Wow, all of these?
B: Not necessary
M: Just one will do?
M: What if I don’t try anything at all?
B: Thats your choice
M: I shouldn’t have asked that question when I knew the answer. But some people live life blissfully unaware of these ways.
B: Thats’s their choice
M: But they didn’t consciously choose that life. They just are ignorant, not literate enough, or just mad or diseased or something like that. What happens to them?
B: Nothing really
M: Aren’t they less favored or less equal than others, who are at least aware of such ways to a superior understanding of themselves?
B: You can help them
M: Ok, what about congenital idiots and people disadvantaged from birth?
B: Remember the illusion.
M: Are they all illusions?
M: I know you said this whole life is an illusion. But the pains & travails of this life seem so real, complex, confusing & frustrating.
M: Should I just ignore them all and focus on the ways to understand myself?
M: Then what about various religions which seem to prescribe different ways?
B: You are free to choose your way
M: What about philosophy, science, & other methods of enquiry?
M: Ok, I get it…same answer…my choice. But is there a superior, faster way?
B: You can find out
M: Ah, you want me to wade through all the multitude of possibilities and choose the one way good for me?
M: Can’t you make it easier?
B: You can.
M: Oh, I can?
M: Hmm…I hope so. Lets go back to the Vedas. You asked me to study them. When & how should I start?
B: Study the masters.
M: You mean stand on the shoulders of giants and discover truth by building on previous discoveries?
M: Excellent, I love that. Should I start early or late in life? Now, please don’t say its my choice. Please be precise.
B: Earlier the better
M: I don’t have to wait until retirement?
M: Maybe that will be too late?
M: But the illusion of this life is too persistent and compelling. How to come out of it?
B: Explore the ways. Study the Vedas. Contemplate.
M: But kids & young people can’t do it. They got to enjoy life first.
B: Study the vedas
M: Ok, ok…back to square one. Let’s proceed. Why is life so difficult, complex and disappointing sometimes?
B: You made it so
M: I made it so? How?
B: Because of your ego
B: Your ego’s desires and self-importance keep growing if left unchecked.
M: What happens then?
B: It creates more complexities, attachments, disappointments and suffering.
M: Why did we, you and me, create ego at all? We could have removed it when we started all this.
B: We didn’t create it.
M: But then…how? Oh, I get it. It’s an illusion. Ego is an illusion.
M: Wow, we are awesome designers. So what next?
B: Control or ignore your ego.
M: Is that possible?
B: Yes. Study the Vedas and the masters.
M: Is it fun leading a life without ego?
B: That’s your natural state
M: What is life without desires and attachments? It sounds so dull, unpleasant, and uninspiring. Is it worth it?
B: Study the Vedas and the masters.
M: What happens when I control or ignore my ego?
B: You will achieve your natural state of tranquility?
M: You mean eternal happiness?
M: I can’t achieve eternal happiness?
B: Happiness and sorrows are illusions.
M: Oh, I forgot. They are part of our design of the illusory universe.
M: So I can achieve tranquility. Neither happiness nor sorrow. No ups and downs.
M: That sounds boring, almost inhuman.
B: That’s your natural state.
M: I am not so excited or eager to achieve that state.
B: You are not ready yet.
M: Hmm, I was hoping you would say that.
M: What can I do about the increasingly chaotic life? It has grown more complex over time. Disappointments and suffering are perhaps growing faster now. What should I do?
B: Study the vedas.
M: Ok. How about others? How about the world? How can I change or make the world better?
B: Study the vedas. Study the masters.
M: Can I change myself, others and the world?
M: Ok. I guess I should trust you, or rather myself.
M: Ok. I start with controlling my ego and desires. Should I become a hermit and retire into the forest?
B: Not necessary
M: But how to control ego and desires, and also live in this illusory material world with all its distractions?
B: Study the masters.
M: Give an example.
M: Wow, but was he not a god?
M: Oh, I get it. Gods are illusions. So Krishna is a good example and a role model.
M: And there are other masters I can lookup?
M: So that’s what the Vedic stories tell us. About various masters and their paths to mastery?
M: So what’s special about Krishna?
B: Think it over
M: He was seen as a god or demigod in a material world full of good and evil, desires and attachments.
M: He perhaps led a self-indulgent life in his younger days, if we go by the stories. But he became a yogi and mahapurush later.
M: He acquired godly powers. Maybe he became one with you, brahman. He was you and you were him. He fought the evils of the material world – desires and attachments. He chose to live in this world and make it better.
M: You make me say fantastic things. Is it really true?
M: You don’t answer anything directly, do you? You want me to figure it out myself.
M: Ok. let’s play it your way. So you are saying I could follow Krishna, copy his methods and ideas, and I may have a good chance to become one with you, achieve tranquility etc.?
M: Why maybe? Is it because Krishna is a tough act to follow or you don’t have confidence in me?
B: Follow your own path.
M: But take inspiration from the masters?
M: Sounds practical. So I can live in this material world, study the vedas and the masters, change myself and the world.
M: I can start with controlling my ego, desires and attachments?
M: Looks like it’s going to be a long journey
B: Not necessary.
M: I know. It’s my choice. I can make it long or short.
M: I guess I can consult you now and then, as I go through this journey of life.
B: I am aways available.
M: Thank you. Will talk to you again soon.